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Leah's avatar

Clementine, you grief and anger are understandable and we all share it. But you're allowing it to bubble out of you as hate and vilification.

Your "research" is one-dimensional, inflammatory, polarizing and frames incredibly complex historical conflicts as black and white with zero context. This will not solve the problem.

Look, I know speaking from anger feels good, but it just perpetuates suffering. And I'm sick of all of this - the killing and atrocities, on both sides, since October 7th, literally, physically ill from it. My heart is breaking. We need peace - the entire region needs PEACE. This speech of yours, that offers no solutions, no calls for peace - just calls for more fighting, is not helpful.

There is a fire of madness and hatred raging in the Middle East and you, Dear Clementine, are just more gasoline.

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That includes giving Hamas notice of where they will be which risks IDF lives.

Do you know which side has indiscriminately launched rockets at civilian populations (not military targets) without warning populations to evacuate in advance? Hamas.

Hamas has launched 9,000 rockets into Israel since Oct 7. Why aren’t they spending money to help their citizens instead of buying more rockets to store in classrooms and under hospitals?

You have quite a lot of misinformation, but I’m not sure arguing about the facts will help. As you said, you are pretty uninformed on the issue. You still lack an informed understanding. What you left out is far more informative.

If you had a robust understanding, you’d know that.

Did you know that many of the people murdered by Hamas in the kibbutzim were activists that had spent their lives working to help Palestinians? Did you know they were driving Gazans into Israel for cancer treatment? Did you know that Israelis were forced to evacuate Gaza to give it to the Palestinians and that it was beautiful and full of state of the art organic farming? Did you know that Israel gives fuel, food, appliances, etc to Gazans to try to improve things for them, but that Hamas takes it all for weapons? Did you know that Israel gave Gaza to the Palestinians because they want to have peace and prosperity for both Israelis and Palestinians? Did you know they destroyed all the farming within minutes of taking control? Did you know that Israel has offered a two state solution many times?

Did you see the March for Israel and how it was peaceful and the crowd sang songs of peace? That is who Jews are. Israel did not want to send all their 18 and 19 year old sons and daughters into Gaza. Did you know that Gazans were crossing into Israel to work in an effort to improve the relationship? Did you know that those very people

It’s not an apartheid when 20% of Israelis are Arabs with all the rights of Jews. They hold high office including the Supreme Court. Israelis live peacefully with Arab Israelis. It’s not a genocide when the population is rapidly increasing. That’s not what a genocide looks like. Israel could flatten Gaza in a moment and not risk the life of a single soldier. They have always had that ability. Trying to get civilians out of the way while you hunt the terrorists that attacked you, the terrorists hiding under hospitals and using civilians as shields, is what any nation would do.

You say “From the river to the sea…” So you want Israel erased from existence? You want to rid the world of the *only* country in the world that has a Jewish majority? Where do you expect them to go? This is the tiny safe haven the UN created for Jews. And it is the Jewish ancestral homeland.

So, what’s your plan?

The fact is, if Israel laid down its arms right now, there’d be a second Holocaust. If Hamas laid down its arms, there’d be a two state solution.

I want Hamas destroyed *because* I care about Palestinian lives *and* Jewish lives. I have prayed for the Palestinian children for decades. Don’t tell me what I care about. But Hamas are terrorists. It will cost lives to rid the world of Hamas and that is tragic. Not ridding the world of Hamas will cost even more lives. Such is the nature of terrorism.

If you have a better idea, I think we’d all love to hear it.

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